{"id":5395,"date":"2014-10-22T15:37:23","date_gmt":"2014-10-22T13:37:23","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.spazioafirenze.it\/?p=5395"},"modified":"2015-05-25T09:31:35","modified_gmt":"2015-05-25T07:31:35","slug":"conversazione-eros-orientale-luniverso-di-kama","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.spazioafirenze.it\/?p=5395","title":{"rendered":"Conversazione: Eros Orientale. L&#8217;Universo di Kama"},"content":{"rendered":"<h3 style=\"text-align: left;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-5482\" src=\"http:\/\/www.spazioafirenze.it\/wp-content\/uploads\/Eros_invito_012.jpg\" alt=\"Eros_invito_01\" width=\"1170\" height=\"398\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.spazioafirenze.it\/wp-content\/uploads\/Eros_invito_012.jpg 1170w, https:\/\/www.spazioafirenze.it\/wp-content\/uploads\/Eros_invito_012-300x102.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.spazioafirenze.it\/wp-content\/uploads\/Eros_invito_012-1024x348.jpg 1024w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1170px) 100vw, 1170px\" \/><\/h3>\n<h3 style=\"text-align: left;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Mercoled\u00ec\u00a0&#8211; 22 ottobre\u00a02014 &#8211; ore 18.00<\/span><\/span><\/h3>\n<h1>\u201cEros Orientale. L&#8217;Universo di Kama\u201d<\/h1>\n<p class=\"p1\"><strong>Fabrizia Baldissera<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\">Un latinista (Mario Labate), una psicanalista (Alida Cresti), \u2018moderati\u2019 da un italianista (Riccardo Bruscagli) si sono ritrovati il \u00a0 Ottobre presso SpazioA (ordinario dominio di architetti e designers) per discutere di letteratura amorosa orientale con l\u2019indologa\/tibetanista\/sanscritista Fabrizia Baldissera, autrice del bel volume \u2018L\u2019Universo di Kama\u2019 (Einaudi, \u2018I Millenni\u2019, 2013). SpazioA\u00a0 conferma cos\u00ec la sua vocazione eclettica, aperta e plurale: il che poi vuol dire curiosa di ci\u00f2 che hanno da dire, su un determinato argomento, voci provenienti da universi intellettuali e culturali diversi, e talvolta volutamente \u2018impertinenti\u2019. Stavolta era in giuoco il modo con cui la millenaria civilt\u00e0 indiana si \u00e8 rappresentata e si \u00e8 raccontata l\u2019universo dell\u2019amore, dell\u2019eros, del rapporto fra i sessi. Durante la serata Fabrizia Balduissera ha tenuto testa, con imperturbata sapienza e disinvoltura, alle domande inevitabili (Cos\u2019\u00e8 il Kamasutra? Come sta in rapporto la violenza irreparabile dell\u2019eros \u2013 notoriamente interclassista &#8211; con il sistema indiano della divisione in caste? Ma al di l\u00e0 della stilizzazione letteraria, cosa accade nella realt\u00e0 concreta della societ\u00e0 indiana? Amano, questi Indiani, in modo cos\u00ec diverso da noi?). Si \u00e8 cos\u00ec appreso che il Kamasutra non \u00e8 \u2013 se non in piccola parte \u2013 un manuale di \u2018posizioni\u2019 erotiche, e che anche quelle pertengono allo scopo principe della letteratura amorosa indiana, nella sua lunghissima durata (quattromila anni, ormai!): che \u00e8 quello, tutt\u2019altro che sovversivo, di insegnare come raggiungere la felicit\u00e0 di coppia (anche nel sesso) ad una societ\u00e0 tuttora dominata dal costume di matrimoni \u2018combinati\u2019, e in cui si cerca di piegare il caso, attraverso l\u2019elaborazione di un assiduo galateo amoroso, ad esiti sperabilmente positivi. L\u2019ars amandi indiana non poteva non suscitare curiosit\u00e0 e domande in Mario Labate, esperto conoscitore dell\u2019ars amandi (e dei remedia amoris) della civilt\u00e0 latina occidentale. Si apprende cos\u00ec, con qualche sollievo, che Ovidio non \u00e8 poi cos\u00ec lontano dal Kamasutra: anche l\u00ec le figurae Veneris non sono dettate da un banale voyeurismo, ma rispondono piuttosto ad un bisogno estetico, di \u2018eleganza\u2019 e raffinatezza nei rapporti d\u2019amore. E pi\u00f9 in genere, Labate ha sottolineato tanti punti di contatto tra i codici amorosi orientali e occidentali (il tema della schiavit\u00f9 dell\u2019amante, il contrasto fra eros come convenzione sociale e passione sregolata), tuttavia mettendo in guarda contro una facile assimilazione dei due mondi, in cui sono proprio i dettagli pi\u00f9 sottili e raffinati che fanno la differenza. Dal canto suo, Alida Cresti ha offerto suggestioni di lettura di taglio psicanalitico, affascinata soprattutto dalla emergenza prepotente del \u2019femminile\u2019 nei testi raccolti da Baldissera: un femminile imperioso, potente, icasticamente rappresentato dalla dominante presenza mitologica della \u2018Grande Dea\u2019 (e anche qui, corrispondenze intriganti con il primitivo matriarcato dei miti mediterranei&#8230;). Un unico rimorso: nessuno ha posto ad Alida Cresti la domanda \u2013 forse \u2013 fondamentale: questo mondo Indiano, \u00e8 \u2013 sarebbe \u2013 psicanalizzabile? e in che termini? Ma allo SpazioA non si danno, non subito, tutte le risposte; si iniziano discussioni.<\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><strong>Riccardo Bruscagli<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span style=\"font-family: Verdana, Helvetica, Arial;\"><br \/>\n<\/span><\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<h3 style=\"text-align: left;\"><\/h3>\n<h3 style=\"text-align: left;\"><\/h3>\n<p class=\"p1\"><strong><em>Wednesday\u00a0&#8211; oct 22th 2014 &#8211; 6.00 pm<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<h1 style=\"color: #2e2e2e;\"><em><strong>\u201c<\/strong>Eros Orientale. L&#8217;Universo di Kama<strong>\u201d<\/strong><\/em><\/h1>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><em><strong>Fabrizia Baldissera<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><em>A Latinist (Mario Labate) and a psychoanalyst (Alida Cresti) \u2014 &#8220;moderated&#8221; by an Italianist (Riccardo Bruscagli) \u2014 came together on October 22 at Spazio A (usually the realm of architects and designers) to discuss Asian erotic literature with Fabrizia Baldissera, an indiologist\/tibetanist\/sanskritist, and author of the beautiful book L\u2019Universo di Kama (Einaudi, \u2018I Millenni\u2019, 2013). Spazio A once again proves its eclectic, open, plural nature, which means that here they are curious to hear what voices have to say on a given topic from different intellectual and cultural realms, sometimes deliberately &#8220;impertinent.&#8221; This time the question was about how the ancient Indian civilization represented and recounted the world of love, eros and the relationship between the sexes. During the evening Fabrizia Baldissera responded to inevitable questions with unflappable knowledge and ease (What is the Kama Sutra? How does the inevitable violence of eros \u2014 well-known for being interclass \u2014 relate to the Indian caste system? And apart from literary stylization, what happens in the practical reality of Indian society? Do Indians really love so differently than we do?) And so we learned that the Kama Sutra is not (or only in small part) a manual of erotic &#8220;positions,&#8221; and that they are instead in keeping with the main purpose of Indian erotic literature, over its very long life (already four thousand years so far!), which is not at all subversive: to teach how to reach happiness as a couple (including in sex) to a society that is still dominated by arranged marriages. It seeks to bend chance to hopefully positive outcomes by developing a meticulous etiquette of love. The Indian &#8220;art of love&#8221; naturally incited Mario Labate&#8217;s curiosity and questions, as he is an expert in the &#8220;Ars Amandi&#8221; (and &#8220;Remedia Amoris&#8221;) \u2014 art of love and love&#8217;s remedies \u2014 of Western Latin civilization. We were rather relieved to learn that Ovid wasn&#8217;t so far from the Kama Sutra. And the De Figurae Veneris were also not just simple voyeurism, but responded to an aesthetic need for &#8220;elegance&#8221; and sophistication in love relationships. Labate also pointed out more general points in common between Eastern and Western codes of love (such as the theme of the lover&#8217;s enslavement, the contrast between eros as a social convention and unruly passion), though he warned against a facile comparison between the two worlds in which the subtlest, finest details make the difference. Alida Cresti then contributed with ideas from a psychoanalytic perspective. She was especially fascinated by how the &#8220;feminine&#8221; emerged powerfully in the texts that Baldissera collected \u2014 an imperious, powerful femininity, visually represented by the dominant mythological presence of the &#8220;Great Goddess&#8221; (here too there are intriguing correspondences with the primitive matriarchy of Mediterranean myths&#8230;). There&#8217;s just one thing to regret. No one asked Alida Cresti the (perhaps) fundamental question: Is this Indian world psychoanalyzable, or could it be? And in what terms? But Spazio A isn&#8217;t about giving all the answers right away. It&#8217;s about starting conversations.\u00a0<\/em><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><em><strong>Riccardo Bruscagli<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n<hr \/>\n\n\t\t<style>\n\t\t\t#gallery-1 {\n\t\t\t\tmargin: auto;\n\t\t\t}\n\t\t\t#gallery-1 .gallery-item {\n\t\t\t\tfloat: left;\n\t\t\t\tmargin-top: 10px;\n\t\t\t\ttext-align: center;\n\t\t\t\twidth: 25%;\n\t\t\t}\n\t\t\t#gallery-1 img {\n\t\t\t\tborder: 2px solid #cfcfcf;\n\t\t\t}\n\t\t\t#gallery-1 .gallery-caption {\n\t\t\t\tmargin-left: 0;\n\t\t\t}\n\t\t\t\/* see gallery_shortcode() in wp-includes\/media.php *\/\n\t\t<\/style>\n\t\t<div id='gallery-1' class='gallery galleryid-5395 gallery-columns-4 gallery-size-thumbnail'><dl class='gallery-item'>\n\t\t\t<dt class='gallery-icon landscape'>\n\t\t\t\t<a href='https:\/\/www.spazioafirenze.it\/wp-content\/uploads\/DSC_45541.jpg'><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"150\" height=\"150\" src=\"https:\/\/www.spazioafirenze.it\/wp-content\/uploads\/DSC_45541-150x150.jpg\" class=\"attachment-thumbnail 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Valentina Muscedra<\/h7>\n\t\t\t\t<\/dd><\/dl><dl class='gallery-item'>\n\t\t\t<dt class='gallery-icon landscape'>\n\t\t\t\t<a href='https:\/\/www.spazioafirenze.it\/wp-content\/uploads\/DSC_46011.jpg'><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"150\" height=\"150\" src=\"https:\/\/www.spazioafirenze.it\/wp-content\/uploads\/DSC_46011-150x150.jpg\" class=\"attachment-thumbnail size-thumbnail\" alt=\"\" aria-describedby=\"gallery-1-5418\" \/><\/a>\n\t\t\t<\/dt>\n\t\t\t\t<dd class='wp-caption-text gallery-caption' id='gallery-1-5418'>\n\t\t\t\t<h7>\u00a9 Valentina Muscedra<\/h7>\n\t\t\t\t<\/dd><\/dl><br style=\"clear: both\" \/>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>\u201cEros Orientale. L\u2019Universo di Kama\u201d<br \/>\n<br \/><em>\u201cEros Orientale. L\u2019Universo di Kama\u201d<\/em><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":5482,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[42,33],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-5395","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-conversazioni","category-tutti-gli-eventi"],"post_mailing_queue_ids":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.spazioafirenze.it\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/5395","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.spazioafirenze.it\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.spazioafirenze.it\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.spazioafirenze.it\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.spazioafirenze.it\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=5395"}],"version-history":[{"count":19,"href":"https:\/\/www.spazioafirenze.it\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/5395\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":6672,"href":"https:\/\/www.spazioafirenze.it\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/5395\/revisions\/6672"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.spazioafirenze.it\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/media\/5482"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.spazioafirenze.it\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=5395"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.spazioafirenze.it\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=5395"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.spazioafirenze.it\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=5395"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}